Where Were The Elves Sailing To?

In the First Age, Elves become weary of their years in Middle-earth and take ship from the Grey Havens to Valinor, also known as the Undying Lands, the home of the Valar on the continent of Aman. However, in the First Age, the fëar of dead elves refused this kind invitation, and Tolkien explains that the fëa unbodied would flee in terror of the Undying Lands, which were removed forever from the reach of mortal Men.

When elves die, their spirits travel to the Halls, where they rest for a time as disembodied shades. Most are then returned to corporeal form and rejoin all other elves living in the world. The Elves leaving Middle-earth is a topic that goes through all of LotR and its Lore, with the final scene of the ship sailing into the sunset. They propose to bring the Elves to the safety of Valinor, but to do that, they need to get Melkor out of the way. A war is fought, and Melkor’s stronghold Utumno is destroyed. Many Elves come to Valinor and establish the Undying Lands, where the High Elves came when invited by the Valar thousands of years ago.

In the Third Age, many elves and some hobbits sail into the West, leaving behind their original homeland. Legolas the Elf sails to Valinor after the death of Aragorn, bringing Gimli the Dwarf, a friendship that lasts until the world. At the end of The Lord of the Rings story, Valinor was the final destination for Bilbo, Frodo, and Gandalf who accompanied the Elves on a ship, including Eldamar, the land of the Elves.


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Where Were The Elves Sailing To
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  • The ending of Arda is a reflection of an English post WW1 veteran who had watched most of the boys he schooled with had been slaughtered on the fields of Flanders. Can any of us imagine the melancholia of being a survivor of such a horrific event? Tolkien loved his world of his youth. He weeped for the world of his entrance into adulthood. And he lived on, passing the years without those who grew up with him. So many gone. So many lost. Life is so precious, and so fleeting. Appreciate every moment. We have so few.

  • While it’s sad to see the elves leave Middle-earth, I understand why they did as it was a part of Illuvatar’s will and pretty much their destiny especially after the destruction of Sauron and the threes rings fade without their powers the world becomes older and since the Eldar are tied to Arda they would grow weary. I like the comparison that’s it’s kind of like a relative bequeathing something precious or important to a another family member and it continues down the line. Thanks for another great article Yoystan!

  • One more minor point – Galadriel’s Ban I believe that Galadriel’s ban on returning home was largely self imposed. She was pardoned along with all other Noldor at the end of the first age, yet she still wanted to explore and live in Middle Earth and to rule a Kingdom of her own. There was never any pronouncement against her and any exile was of her own belief. This is why Saruman mocks her lamentations in such thoughts of hers as the poem Namarië. It’s because he recognises that there’s nothing preventing her from returning home, but her own stubbornness in the belief that she cannot return. Overcoming the desire of The Ring to grant her the power to rule vast kingdoms and to order them as she wills was a test of her own making, allowing her to come to terms with dichotomy of selfishness vs selflessness; She wanted to stay in Middle Earth after the war of wrath for her own ends (selfishness), so she couldn’t return to Valinor until she proved to herself that she was no longer selfish in that same way. Being able to renounce the power of The Ring proved to her inner self that she could be selfless and that she had changed since the end of the first age, in that she didn’t make the same choice now (end of 3rd age), as she did then (end of first age).

  • And the ship went out into the High Sea and passed into the West, until at last on a night of rain Frodo smelled a sweet fragrance on the air and heard the sound of singing that came over the water. And then it seemed to him that as in his dream in the house of Bombadil, the grey rain-curtain turned all to silver glass and was rolled back, and he beheld white shores and beyond them a far green country under a swift sunrise.

  • Just a minor point of bookkeeping: Cirdan was Teleri, as were the Falathrim with him. Also, there would presumably have been a large contingent of avari still dwelling as moriquendi. So, rather than just the Sindar and Noldor being left in Middle Earth in the 4th age, I think there were a LOT of elves who went unaccounted for, particularly those of the avari, of whom the Valar particularly seemed to take no accounting of.

  • “The time of the elves is over. Do we leave middle earth to its fate? Do we let them stand alone?” I guess now we know why it made Sam sad 😥 But even tho they departed they left behind a legacy and heritage that in many ways continues on. It also softens the blow a bit to know that it was always meant to be, and that it will all work out in the end 🥺

  • Although the different children of Eru/Iluvatar have much in common, there is also much that is not the same. Aside from the obvious differences of life span, they are fundamentally different in, for lack of a better term, psychologies. If you could somehow plot a bell curve of the diverse range of psychologies for the individuals of each species (yeah, I know, vast oversimplification; even professionals can’t agree on the metrics, which also are not constants), these curves would likely be significantly different. And this is all just a pleasant mental exercise over what is a work of fiction. Truly great fiction indeed, of nonpareil elaborateness, but still . . . As a U. S. Government certified Old Dude, I have come to a greater appreciation of the virtue of the ‘Gift of Man’. Immortality in a finite world will eventually become wearying. There is much that remains in this world that I would like to experience for the first time or once again, but I am blessed to have seen/heard/felt/smelled/tasted much (which remains in increasingly glitchy, but still adequately usable memory and other cognitive functions) over the decades. I cannot honestly say that I have been short changed. And there is also that which is new, especially a certain delightful little person who has been around for only a bit over two years now. I am not yet quite ready to check out and have no plans to do anything stupid, but when the time comes I will accept the ‘Gift’.

  • The topic of the Elves “fading” touches on what I feel is the biggest reason why they had to leave, one that I’m surprised you didn’t go into: the fact that in time, the Undying lands would be the only place where they could exist, at least in tangible form. Tolkien describes the Elves as “mighty in both worlds,” and in his supplementary writings, goes on to explain further that while humans are corporeal beings, Elves have both a magic and a mundane aspect to their being. There is both a visible and an unseen world as Tolkien imagines it, and the Elves straddle the boundary. And he said that in time, the Elves’ magical element would outlast and even burn out their earthly forms, leaving them only as ephemeral beings divorced from the world of matter. Valinor, meanwhile, is said to have passed into that unseen world entirely after the last ships arrived, leaving any who did not come stranded, but allowing those who did to go on as they always had, in the one dimension of reality where they could still be. They come to Valinor, or they disappear; it’s that simple.

  • Thing is, it was the Noldor who left not all the elves. Many elves fell away from the initial journey to Valinor and they remain a giant plot-hole that was resolved by Tolkien who was clear that all elves did NOT leave. Further, Tolkien also said that the sons of Elrond still had the choice and could defer that choice without leaving Middle Earth. There was a terrible downside. That is if the elves remained long-enough Middle Earth could NOT SUSTAIN their spirts and the elves that remained would eventually fade and become Haunts.

  • Hi! I have never before commented to your articles, but now I will (although this comment don’t have nothing do to with this article). So, I have watched occasionally your articles and I like your website; it gives new thoughts and ideas about Tolkien’s legendarium. And I like your website, because it tells of Tolkien legendarium, of course. I really appreciate Tolkien and his imagination, and I am interested in writing fantasy stories, that are located in their very own worlds. I have taken inspiration from The Silmarillion, and that’s why I like The Silmarillion and this website (or then I’m interested in writing because of The Silmarillion, I’m not sure). Greetings from Finland/Estonia!

  • I always found it really sad in different fantasy adaptions of elves dying out or leaving. DragonAge Inquisition touched on this too and that the world is simply plain and dull without the magics of the elves. I know Tolkien says that the Entwives are dead but I like to believe in some hidden pocket of Middle-Earth, Treebeard found the entwives and brought a bit of magic back to Middle-Earth

  • OMG! I enjoyed the many topics you’ve researched and produced. This one is by far among the best of many! Thanks to you and a few others creators dedicated to explore J.R.R. Tolkien’s legendary works, all the questions I’ve ever had are answered. Kudos for your hard work, Yoyston. Kudos for the J.J.R . Tolkien Award most of all congratulations for your new home!

  • I wanted to add the idea that the Marring of Arda by Melkor took a toll on Elves’ bodies who remained in Middle-Earth like a sort of micro-poisoning that accumulates over the centuries and eventually results in fatigue or even fading. The Elven rings of power and living in the blessed realm of Valinor would stop this decay 🤔 I recall that this idea was presented somewhere in Morgoth’s Ring.

  • This made me wonder what Eru Ilúvatar’s point was in making elves. Then I looked up it was basically to help kick Morgoth’s a$$, lol. Then that somehow led me to learn that Eru made Smeagol find the ring so that Sauron wouldn’t. Then I thought damn Eru, not only did you make Gollum’s life miserable, but you had to make him strangle a Deagol/fam member as well? That’s cold af 🤣 hopefully he made it up to them in the afterlife 😅

  • Right at the end something caught my attention: “the world remade.” I’m a bad Catholic but understand there shall be a New Heaven and a New Earth, but I did not think Tolkien carried that into his mythos. I thought that in their “reboot,” the Eldar are gone and it’s just humans from then on. It’s been years since I read the Silmarillion and I’ve not the more recent books, so can anyone please make me older about this? The misunderstanding seems to be mine.

  • Youstan’s trying to make a word-count, here’s an analogy, when Eru and the Ainur “Forged” the world into being, the Iron was Glowing-hot, so they could mold it as they wished, but after they finished forging it, the iron cooled, but not instantaneously. In this analogy, heat is magic, thus the elves were able to use a lot of magic in their bodies, but by the same token, they depended on magic, humans, on the other hand, couldn’t “metabolize” magic like the elves or even the Dwarves can, but by the same token, the without magic the elves and dwarves starve, but humans, who weren’t even metabolizing magic in the first place are fine without it, so when the iron began to cool in the later ages, elves, dwarves, dragons, and Giant Spiders began to starve, while the humans were just fine and were in fact better off than when they iron was hot as they didn’t have to compete with magical beings as much, the End of the Third age was when Iron finally got so cold that the elves couldn’t live on it anymore and had to go seek warmth elsewhere.

  • Guess it was all in the music.. When Melkor sang his first discord, it must have been about the fading on Arda and death after life. He wanted of course to be, being the most powerful, the strongest remaining spirit and owner of the vision. Now Iluvatar would have his Firstborn to stay on Arda as long as it existed, so there was to be a place where immortals could stay safely and unmarred, and that would be kept up by the power of the Valar. But for the Secondborn he devised to stay in Arda Marred. They would have, though, strange qualities to live with it, mainly because their fate would not be bound to Arda. Iluvatar himself would provide Feär to dwell in the newborn bodies of these much more fertile children, to be recollected after death. Thus Melkor, although his singing became part of the creation, achieved not his desire to ursurp its lordship. Instead the creation became more beautiful and interesting. Hence…. The division into separate worlds for mortals and immortals, effectuated in the downfall of Númenor was probably inevitable. Hence.. Even Sauron in his malice was an instrument of the fulfilling of the Music. Just as Ilúvatar had foretold.

  • Yes, but what specifically happened to Gandolf, Frodo and bilbo when they were in the Gray Havens? How long did they live before they passed away? Did Gandolf wait until they both passed away from old age before finally relinquishing his physical body? I’d also be curious to find out what Gandolf looked like originally before taking human form. 🤔

  • I’m reminded of Mark Twain’s book, Letters from the Earth. The plot is an angle visits Earth and gets to know the wants and desires of us stupid mortals. One believe the angle mentions in a letter back to his kin in Heaven goes like this… If you have lived a good, pious life, you will go to Heaven when you die. You will dress in white robes, have angles wings, sit on a cloud, play a harp, and sing Hosanna, Hosanna for eternity, and love it. The angle, disguised as human, asks people if they play the harp and sing Hosanna now. “Of course not!” says the humans. Well, why not? “Because that would be boring.” And won’t it be boring in Heaven? “Of course not!” Why? “Because in Heaven we will be made to love it!” So when it comes to Elves in the Undying Lands, you have to wonder why they didn’t all go. Yes, I know all about the sundering, the Avari, etc. But after countless thousands of years, before the coming of the Sun and Moon, the Avari, the Sindar, the Nandor, they all could have taken a few centuries off, asked Cirdan for a ride, etc. You know, an Elf Vacation. They didn’t. And what about the Silvan Elves who accepted Galadriel as their Lady? She must have told stories to them about Valinor, even if she wasn’t allowed to go. None of them bothered to pull up stakes and make the journey? Certainly by then she would have told them they had nothing to fear from Orme or the other Valar. But none of them went. You can say they loved Middle-earth all you want. But the fact remains, not one, at least that we know of.

  • Not only the sea longing instilled in the voices of the gulls, possibly by Osse & Ulmo themselves, but a world weariness due to the passing of friends & loved ones. However the elves knew immortality was an illusion, the spirits given solace & rest in the halls of Mandos would in time be sent back to the world like Glofindel or upon the Dagor Bragorlach at the ultimate end of things in Arda. Though even with this knowledge, the elves must have been wistful or even jealous of Illuvatar’s gift to men, oneness with the flame imperishable upon their demise. Ar Pharazon & the fallen Numenorians in their lost faith & envy of elven immortality must have been regarded with wry disbelief at their spurning of their great gift. The yearning for the blessing of being in the presence of their god must have made the eons pass so slowly, perusal their human friends take the expressway to heaven.

  • I always felt Elves were the extremes of men. If an elf was a good person they were the epitome of goodness. Take the greatest elven hero’s of the first age, they were greater than the greatest of the race of man. But then take the great Kin slaying, the temptation Galadriel felt, the Grudge Thranduil held. These were far worse than most ever done by men. So i always precieved they were the lesson to men. To show balance by demonstrating the extremes. That even the best can have evil, and that bad can do good. By doing so they would show men how to embrace all the sides of their characters, to accept they can be great or evil all through the choices and actions they take. Once Men reach that stage, where now they have the lessons they leave bringing the true vision of Erus world into fruition.

  • He does an unfathomable quest. Could live like a King in other places but returns to the Shire because of his love for his culture, friends and people. Then leaves it behind to go off into the unknown? I could understand if it was to heal his body and mind rom the tolls of the adventure. Will there be a village of Hobbits, there? Stew, pot-roast, Yorkshire pudding, meat pies?

  • I have been listening to the audiobook version of Fellowship recently, read by Rob Inglis and tbh based on his reading I think if I lived in Middle Earh I would be helping them pack their bags! They come across just silly and honestly annoying…I don’t remember feeling that at all when I read it 20-odd years ago. I’m sure it is just in the reading

  • Onr thing I do not understand, etu banned the Numenorians from entering Valinar because they were human and fated to have a different destiny than the elves, YET the hobibits Bilbo, Frodo, adn Sam, are counted among Men. There were many men of the first and second age that deserved the same gift as wsa given to the hobbits, Dwarves were never specifically banned from going, they jest were never asked to go by Eru or the Valar, nor did they desire to go there until Gimli went with Legolas.

  • after perusal your outstanding articles for many years i now have to disagree with you on this article. i do not believe that frodo, bilbo and sam would have eventually died in valinor. it is documented that sauron bestowed a great portion of his life force into the one ring. as a maiar that would include immortality. by wielding the ring the hobbits would have received that portion of sauron’s life force. that is why the hobbits had to take the ship to the undying lands. as the lore stongly suggests, the alternative would be becoming a wraith or a wretched creature like gollum. although i am unable to specifically source these ideas, i believe i did read something to that effect in some appendix or other tolkien writing. as i type this i am realizing this would have to mean that the spirit of smeagol is in the halls of mandos. the alternative is that much like the blessing bestowed upon gimli, the same blessing would have been bestowed upon the hobbits. valinor is called the undying lands, so why would they be called there to die? at the vary least i can see the valar bestowing their grace upon the main figures of the last remnant of the of the true power of morgoth.

  • As sad as it is that Tolkien elves have to leave Middle Earth forever and return to Aman, it is still better fate than the fate of the elves in the Dragon Age world who lost their immortality and culture, been subjugated by the humans and been force to choose to either live in nomadic clans or live among the humans in slums called the alienage.

  • Love your articles, but disagree about your comment that non-immortals residing in the Land of the “UNDYING” die. As for the Ring Bearers…they are immortal by virtue of having put on the ring. I saw some article which WRONGLY claimed no one but Eru Ilúvatar can grant immortality. Problem with that claim is…THE NAZGUL…Hello…McFly…those black robed baddies are approximately 4,800 years old at the time Frodo leaves the Shire on his quest. So super duper longevity is not the preserve of the Elves.

  • there are practical reason why the elf leaves. the generation cycle of elves are long, this naturally means their population grew the slowest of all race. it is why they have to be the first to wake, because they need more time to establish themselves or they will be overwhelm quickly by the fast breeding of men and dwarf. this mean they would never be able to recover from attrition as quickly as orc and men in the later age. the population of elf would decline even if had they decided to stay, so they were never going to be viable in a world of life and death by design. you can see this is the declining number and influence of the elves, the great cities were gone, instead they were divided into smaller realms because they just can’t produce the numbers to fill up the land between these stronghold. else it doesn’t really make sense why human could have establish Arnor which was between Elven strongholds, Arnor was founded and were allowed to be founded because the Elves simply didn’t have the number of occupy the land anyway. in the rise and fall of nations, demographic is always the key. the entire story is one about a dying power, they appear strong, advanced and powerful, but are in fact hollow and reduced… it kind of mirrors the fall of the british empire. in the end, the british was always going to have to leave india because of demographic reality that the indian would outgrow british ability to control them.

  • So Gimli was allowed to go to the closest thing to Heaven in Tolkien’s universe, simply because he was Legolas’ buddy? While millions of other people suffered horribly and were tortured and murdered by Morgoth and Sauron? There were lots of others who were great friends of the elves: Beor, Huron, even Narvi the dwarf who was pretty tight with Celebrimbor apparently. It all seems about as unfair as the Catholic version of Heaven in the old joke: they think they’re the only ones here!

  • Or it was just a deus ex machina he tacked on to be able to explain why we don’t have elves in Europe. He was great author but too many give his macguffins, plot armour and deus ex machina and assume more meaning to what were simple techniques employed by a bloke who wrote in his spare time whilst holding a full time job.

  • I hope you enjoy the article 🙂 Today about Aman, the Undying Lands and why the Elves leave Middle-earth. The topic is very complex and I feel the flow of the article is not ideal. I also had some sound problems while recording. Again thank you to Kimberly80 (deviantart.com/kimberly80) for the permission to use her art work. Sadly some have a watermark in them. In addition I drew a map of Aman, which took some time ^^ I will probably slowly improve it further. If you find some mistakes in it, let me know.

  • I love how easy to understand your articles are like when explaining the Ainur you compare them to god pantheons and angel which is right on, and when you remind us about what Gandalf says about Udun in the fight with the balrog. I don’t comment much but I absolutely had to say how great your articles are.

  • As Eru reshaped the world to a sphere Valinor stayed were it was, the world curved dropped away and so only the straight road exists to enter Valinor. Thats how I’ve always imagined it a floating continent it be cool to include Terry Pratchets turtle and elephants moving Valinor and giving foundation.

  • This is my favorite so far of your discussions. What a great explanation of the nature of elves and men and the reason elves must go to Valinor. Kimberly 80 is one of my favorite artists of middle Earth…and I wonder if you have encountered my very favorite, Elena Kukanova? She captures the beauty, poignancy and even sadness of the elves throughout their history. I was just looking at The Last Conversation of Finrod and Aegnor…a simple pencil drawing that expresses what words can’t say. I’m sure you have seen her work; but if not, as an artist myself, I commend her. Anyway, well done! Well done!

  • Hello to the « Lore Explainer » . I know, I repeat myself, but once again, you just make a tremendous work !! And I’m surely not the only one to take great pleasure, at the way you pronounce all these names, ( in Sindarin, in Noldorin, in Telerin and even in Khuzûl ), because it gives (at least to me), the great filing of being « IN » the Tolkien’s world ) I’m since looong time now, a IOTR and Music addict !!!! Two things, that I need, nearly every day,to feel happy !!!!!!

  • I think you really hit it with this one, it’s a classic question, and well answered. There are other articles about this topic where the marring of Arda is not mentioned; instead, you here people saying that the Elves leave because of accumulated experiences of loss (e.g. dying trees, mortal Elf-friends). I agree that this is one factor but it would imho not suffice for all elves to eventually leave. Without the marred state of Arda, I think Elves would remain in Middle-Earth and follow a pattern of where many Elves stay for a time and then sail into the West, but would leave their children behind, who would not leave before creating children of their own, etc. Ofc this may stop at some point if indeed the total number of Elves being incarnated simultaneously on Arda is limited. We may even conceive that the marring reduced the fertility of the Elves in Middle-Earth. And I would like to know if newborn Elves start from scratch without any of Melkor’s poison or if subsequent generations inherit some of the Ainur’s toxine from their parents. So I think Melkor is the primary and sufficient reason. I imagine it’s a bit like when you are a flight attendant or pilot, you receive more radioactive radiation than other people do, and if you accumulate small increments over thousand of years, your body will eventually get sick. (Ofc I ignored the fact that our bodies can excrete radiation over time). Do you think that more contact with Melkor’s poison makes humans more likely to submit to a dark lord?

  • Aman is definitely a place that I would rather be in than this world tbh. The way Tolkien describes it in his vivid and deep writing just makes it so beautiful and truly untouched by the harshness and evil of the world. But it is sad that the Elves can never live in Middle-Earth in the same way. It is among many of the more bittersweet aspects of his story and world imo! 🙁

  • Thank you for another excellent article. Would you be willing to elaborate or even extrapolate on what would become of the Hobbits once they completed the journey to Aman? You seemed to imply that Humans, if residing there, would simply age and die through the course of their normal life. However, when I first read The Lords of the Rings, I felt that Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam were pitied by the Elves as they truly understood the weight and darkness that the ring has laid upon the Hobbits. That a ring bearer (Frodo specifically) would struggle to know true peace again during their mortal existence. The voyage to Aman would allow them to leave behind their mortal coil, without having to die a natural death. In short, I never took it that they were just moving someplace far away, and very pretty to convalesce, but would be in fact passing beyond the veil. Maybe I just read too much into it, but curious to hear others interpretations.

  • I’m a lot clearer now on the intent of Melkor. He almost seems like a spoilt child wanting all things to be his way, although I am sure there is much more to him than that. It is interesting that Tolkien made him the Valar of knowledge and I wonder what significance that has to Melkor’s behavior and views (in Tolkien’s mind). I think you made another superb article here Chris. The idea of sailing to “the undying lands” into the sunset is such an appealing, evocative topic in general and when you put that into a middle earth context (with 1st class commentry and analysis), you can’t go wrong! Also, I couldn’t agree more, the art work featured is incredible. I am genuinely going to save up for some middle earth art! I thought every picture was awesome! Thanks again ThePhilosopherGames, I look forward to the next one 🙂

  • Why didn’t the men of middle earth (or the elves or whoever) sail to the Undying Lands to request more aid from the Valar against Sauron, telling them that the wizards they sent just weren’t cutting it, especially given their prohibition on matching power with power? And to remind Manwe that he bears some responsibility for Sauron running a mock, since he was the one who foolishly believed Melkor’s claim of having been rehabilitated and released him.

  • Some people believed that at the end of Lord of the Rings Frodo, Gandalf, Bilbo, Elrond and Galadriel were leaving Middle Earth and were sailing away to heaven. When I first watched Return of the King, I thought they were simply sailing away to the far ends of Middle Earth. Maybe they were right, the undying lands was the afterlife and that’s where they went. Today, I thought about it on the way home and I thought about why did Frodo go? I don’t think Frodo was dying and that he was succumbing to his wound when he was stabbed by The Witch King. Frodo was deeply traumatized by his journey and he wasn’t coping and it was affecting him mentally and physically. Gandalf saw this and that’s why he allowed Frodo to go with them to the undying lands and I believe Frodo went there not to die, but to find peace. If it’s not heaven and if it’s not the afterlife, what was the undying lands? A realm or simply another land? It’s a shame JRR Tolkien never expanded the world of Middle-Earth further. But, he told the story and the ink is dry.

  • So are the valar like Minecraft builders who build a world and then move on? It seems weird for them to build only one world. It would explain why melkor would grief the world and would receive such little resistance. The valar would just complain and move on. Melkor is like that kid who is jealous of their friends creation and tries to blow it up.

  • It seems to me that you Seriously fell off the subject of the Title of the article 🙂 Either way – Thanks:) I knew the entire lore of this.. I was just curious to hear what other people say/ Think about this entire thing. I TRULLY think,that “they(?)” Lost a LOT by not continuing to make MORE “Tolkiens Universe” movies. It has one of THE MOST SOLID Fanbase ..and ANYTHING they decide to do – will be inevitable success… even with..for example NOT running a HUGE marketing campaign.. people would STILL WAIT AND JUMP ON the material they presented…soon as it’d come out lol I trully hope that they *WONT mess up…What ever comes next from our Beloved World of Tolkien…. (And I will PRAY that who ever is going to be making the Next Film Adoptation of Amazing World of Mr.Tolkien – won’t make yet Another WOKE GARBAGE MESS out of it… like they did to not only some of ” The Star Wars” …but with a LOT of other names…. making an *ABSOLUTE WOKE GARBAGE.. BY COMPLETELY RUINING THE THING THAT PPL LOVED AND SUPPORTED THEIR ENTIRE LIFES…)

  • Valinor may seem like a perfect place to live in for the Elves but it sounds like a prison for any mortal/Men. Men are designed to create change and not to be contented within the boundaries and containments of the world. If Men were to go and live in Valinor, it will be against their nature and they will probably get mad and bored. The static perfection of that world will just make them more weary and restless. Prolly the reason why they are banned to go there is Men will bring change to that world.

  • Geez! This guy overdoes the whole “rolling every R” thing! I get it, it sounds kinda cool, but flipping heck! Not EVERY “R” needs to be, or should be, or is rolled! It’s distracting and overdone! Chill out on the “R-rolling”, man! Also, it’s not “ree-alm”, it’s “realm”… GOD, this YouTube creator has a VERY pretentious and obnoxious voice… Try toning it down a few thousand notches on the pretentious banter there guy….